The unacceptable memorandum points by Hindraf
November 28, 2007 – 7:59 pm | by eMpTycuBe
I was late again for the Linux Profesional course today because im writing bout my previous post around 8.30 am this morning. Reach at the Faculty and the class havent started yet.. Fuh..at least i didnt miss anything.
Log on to my PC and first thing i did was browsing the star online to read today news.. Not much stuff happened around accept the current hot issues regarding Hindraf and some tide whipping phenomena in Kota Kinabalu.
Talking bout Hindraf, i was suprised to read the news regarding few items on their memorandum which contra, outrageous and unacceptable
End Racism, end Islamic extremism and end Malay privileges
i think u guys (Hindraf) the one who play around the racism sentiment, see the memorandum… almost all point has the "malay" and "muslim" words, tell me… are u guys doing it becoz u guys sending it to Prime Minister of Britain which of course a westerners who have this kind of thinking which relate all the bad stuff to muslim?
The UMNO controlled government forms with immediate effect a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Kg Medan Mini Genocide, condemns the violence thereto, apologizes to the Indian community on this mini genocide,
i doubt about this mini genocide and if this is true isnt it a way for u guys to investigate it..we have authorities… darn… and i think this issue do relate who started the stuff first.. well said.. do i need to remind anybody here?
Each and every Indian especially the Indian poor in the aforesaid 70% Indian poor and hardcore poor category is paid compensation
Indian poor and hardcore poor category huh? well as far as i can see during my school days there are about 10% Indian students there which consist bout 120 ppl or less. and there are about 25 students on my batch and the number is dropped to 13 when reach the form 5. Only 2 of them managed to get average and good result and others were dropouts. this 2 fella was a good friend of mine who mix around with Chinese and Malays. they do know how to use KNOWLEDGE rather than doing stupid stuff. as per said its because of the civic minded of some Indian ppl who dont want to pursue the power of knowledge and yet a dropout during school days. and due to lack of education they cant have good nor stable job. Unlike some Indians i met, they are hardworking and yet they become an important person in IT industry now in
well im tired of this politics indulge matter which only want to rise up the glitch of current racial harmony we had here in Malaysia. u guys do nuthing but only now to spark the racial issue from what i can see is between Malays and Indians.
and im pretty sure this HINDRAF are humiliating the indians community itself because not all Indians support this kind of act. Yes.. you have your right to say or put a memorandum as u want it but they way u do it is just disturbing. they prefer the proper way to channel it. not by destroying public properties and causing trouble and problems.
42 Responses to “The unacceptable memorandum points by Hindraf”
By opserver on Nov 28, 2007 | Reply
The memo to British only highlight glaring racial part.
Take a look for more details of 50th year Merdeka (Independence) demands by the two (2) million ethnic minority Indians in Malaysia to Y.A.B. Dato’ Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi Prime Minister of Malaysia on Sunday the 12th day of August 2007 at 10.00a.m at Seri Perdana, Putrajaya Malaysia.
Go H E R E
By jerma on Nov 28, 2007 | Reply
You said there are “…proper way to channel it…” May I ask you what is this proper way and channel?
Please limit your answer to the method/s NOT already tried by Hindraf.
By eMpTycuBe on Nov 28, 2007 | Reply
jerma
doing it the proper way..not by destroying public properties and making a major blockade in the city.. i got nuthing to go against hindraf memorandum accept the one highlighted above…
all those rally wont bring any good,
example BERSIH (another bloackade), a couple of years back, KEADILAN and few other to name it…. BERSIH supported by opposing party and few NGO’s while KEADILAN by the KEADILAN party…do u see any good on both rally..no ..just a pure problems and trouble….
i dont support any means of politics nor agree some part of government policy but i do know between peace and aggresive
opserver
thank you, it do add up the info here
By eMpTycuBe on Nov 28, 2007 | Reply
i received several critics, support and even threat emails due to my post.
i need to be clear here, i got nuthing against any political party or organization. Some of the emails said im a pro-UMNO and some says i said it out loud…
thank you for your comments and critics.
By limtze on Nov 28, 2007 | Reply
Dear eMpTycuBe
Please enlighten me with your “proper way”. Since you highlight there is proper way to handle a memorandum then suggest a proper way to handle it with the police block your way, causing frustration to proceed in handling the memorandum. Further, it is police who cause the blockade.
Lets think in other way round, if the rally is permitted then there is no “destroying public properties” or “causing trouble”, then the blockade just a temporary; and if the police has ensure the rally proceed as smooth as it should be.
Regards
By jerma on Nov 28, 2007 | Reply
emptycube wrote: “…not by destroying public properties and making a major blockade in the city…”
You got to be kidding me! These are not methods of Hindraf (for the record I am not a member of Hindraf). The blockade is by the Police!
Do you live in the Klang Valley? If you are outside, you might not realise that the police had already set up road blocks THREE DAYS BEFORE the rally!
Again, you have not stated any particular methodology that may be an alternative to the Hindraf rally. I’ll give you another chance to think about it. How say you?
Why do say the rally won’t bring any good? Do you have empirical evidence to support your point? You should show us if you have such evidence. However, experience elsewhere (in fact, in almost any country in the world) the evidence is otherwise.
You say you know what is “aggresive”(sic). Is walking along a road “aggresive”? Is holding pictures of Gandhi “aggresive”? Never mind, lets do something. Lets try to understand YOUR meaning of “aggresive” (its aggressive actually, but its a small matter anyway). Will you tell us what is aggressive? Would you say kicking someone while he is lying on the ground aggressive? Or is it justified?
Just some things for you to think about.
By dhash on Nov 28, 2007 | Reply
well I can understand that it is the only way now left after 50 yrs of running dogs. Not in the govt employment as well as can’t do business too as it is destroyed by major key players!
By kl chong on Nov 28, 2007 | Reply
Hi idiot,
Are you living in malaysia. Do you know that the most of the indian cant find a better job. They are hardworking fellow but due to their education level they simply can find a job better job. I can say they work harder than all of our cabinet ministers even prime minister. You see, dont talk about education, even for foods and logging they also have problem. Comes to unniversiti, you should ask the goverment what is the percentage allow them to enrol. Hello, who want to walk in the street and yell like that.
Please think, i dont like your starting paragraph telling us rushing to faculty means what to us….
What do you want to show us you are not a big shoot so dont show off idiot. i am a cinaman, i do help not only chinese, india even malay on the street with no food i will buy the foods for them even their family. So you are just still in a air con room and write all the thing how good the current goverment is doing. Let me ask you are you working, if working what is your income and have you seen poor people no food to eat..
If you say they are racismn mattter of fact you go and ask the goverment it is the NEP still require? I am not against Malay even most of my business partner or client perfer a better level palying ground. With this NEP they also feel shy..
I am happy to have Malay, India even Punjabi friend all this time. They share the same idea that the goverment most help the indian communities. So please sit down and think are you still think that what you write is truth.
By eMpTycuBe on Nov 28, 2007 | Reply
yes, i do live in klang valley, damansara area to be precise. and i know bout police bunch of roadblocks around KL,
and please read my post about riot police…do i support them i do mentioned bout their harsh attack towards the demonstrators, but do you want to see my niece car being smash with bricks because she was ‘around’ KLCC area while the demonstrators were all over that place..
i dont have any grudge against the indians… but i always hate demonstrators.. and u want to read bout by critics towards the BERSIH rally… read more..im not being biased towards this issue, nor im pro government but i do support what government say (not all of them lah)
By kl chong on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
hi,
Do you trust the mainstream newspaper?
What happen when you been push to a conner that you can breath? Are you just stay there and die or wake up take control on your own destiny again. means figth for your future.
Sorry for your newphew car but atleast she is not injured. Look at the protester what happen to them.
By eMpTycuBe on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
thank you limtze,
the proper way i should highlight on my post is not by continuing the rally although its not permitted.
and this bring to the question why government wont permit it, i have no idea why they do so and i do commented on my previous post regarding the freedom of speech on so called ‘democracy’ government. which ironically soo democracy. as mentioned im not pro government i just voice up what i think is not right.
yes u are right, if the government permitted it in the first place there might be little or no damage although there still be little havoc (what i mean havoc here does not relate with aggression or anything).
the problem arises after riot police start throwing gas canister and spraying the water cannon.
There is a post related to the riot police act towards demonstrators..feel free to read more..
and thanks for the understanding comment. I apologize if my post do hurt you (readers) in any way. im just voicing out what im not happy about. Being in the democratic nation (sarcastic mode)
By eMpTycuBe on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
thank you mr kl chong for the comments,
im not being biased towards any race here, in fact im just voice up what i think is not true in my point of view.
Yes i’ve worked before and currently continuing my studies, im a certified network engineer. and now im as full time student.
i think i need to clarify this again and again. im not a pro government person nor the opposing party.
do i follow mainstream newspaper…yes..and they are mostly government controlled and one sided news casters. do i read other sources, blogs and news from mouth to mouth.. yes.. but i rarely commented on that kind of news.. i do subscribe the malaysiakini.com account and i do read from their point of view. mostly heavy political discussion and news. why am i voicing up in this way for this particular stuff,
am i being one sided commenter? part of me being challenged by the critical acclaimed of the memorandum (the points i stated) , YES
am i pointing the problem only 2 HINDRAF, in this post maybe yes (as far as i can tell by judging on types of comments, critics and threat i received) on my other related hindraf post, NO.
im sorry again if this post is not up to the neutral side expectancy and im sorry for saying it out loud.. but since the 3 points mentioned is consider racist. i voice it out. how bout other points ? i do support it…
By eMpTycuBe on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
i received few other emails saying im being one sided…
kindly read this post
http://emptycube.net/malaysia/bersih-now-hindraf-and-next-apakabendetah-who-is-right/
regarding the critics i made on government policy of being ‘democratic’
this post ONLY critics on the 3 points mentioned. not to the race nor to any specific ppl, im sorry if it sound like im pointing it to one group only
By Sammy Baru on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
Hi,
Jgn salahkan sesiapa tentang isu kemiskinan!! Hanya diri sendiri dapat mengubah nasib! In muslim, Allah berfirman, “Aku Tidak Akan Mengubah Nasib Sesuatu Kaum Melainkan Kaum Itu Sendiri Mengubahnya”.
Aku pun heran mengapa diorang ni asyik nak memberontak! belajar malas, dah xberjaya baru nak salahkan kerajaan!!!! Lagi ramai masyarakat melayu yang hidup serba kekurangan!! tapi xbising pun.
Klu krajaan mengamalkan penghapusan etnik, mengapa Sammy Vellu jadi menteri? mengapa ada doktor dari kalangan india? mengapa ada ramai mahasiswa India di IPTA? mengapa ada ramai majestrit di Mahkamah??? fikirkanlah!!!
Kalau kuil kena roboh diorang nak bising, tapi klu masjid kena roboh diorang senyap pulak!!! apa ni HINDRAF, kasi kucar-kacir negara!! mengapa baru skrg nak buat demo?? sebab pilihanraya dah dekat??? Apa kena pulak dengan DAP dan KEADILAN yang nak masuk campur dalam hal ni!!! DAP memang terkenal dengan parti perkauman!!! sure isu ni menjadi panas kerana DAP FUCK!!
Klu hindraf nak saman kerajaan brtish, napa Tun Sambathan berjuang menuntut kemederkaan bersama Tunku di London dulu????
By mala on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
Stupid! Stupid! Fool! What is it the accurate right that you Hindraf want ha?! What more that the government don’t yet give you?!!!! Unthankful! If you don’t want to be malaysians anymore, then get out from Malaysia! Go to India! or Tamilnadu! Where you originated! Malaysia treats you like beloved child! Give you and pamper you with all the riches and peace and harmony that one can’t even get in other countries in the world! Look at other countries! If you are the people of their countries, they will even hit your head with hard objects like steel or wood because you are not from their races and they don;t consider you as their group members! but here in Malaysia, you are treated like kings even you are not kings!
Don’t accuse malays and the government just because you don’t win the majority’s support in general election! Stupid bloody fool!!! mafias! Hooligans you Hindraf!!!
By mala on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
To all,
in my opinion, police set up road blocks as early as 3 days before the rally because they have to. this is not a small matter. this involved the safety and peace especially for the city people. police were only doing their job to make sure no one, no malaysian, no non-malaysian will get hurt. because the rally doesn’t give any good to anyone, it will only create havoc and chaos, the government and the people will be in stress, our country will not be in peace anymore, foreign opportunistic media will be so happy they can create untrue stories about our Malaysia so easily!
police have to do their job just to make sure that the safety of the people of Malaysia and foreign people in Malaysia is secured. we are dealing with hooligans here, so we have to take necessary steps before something bad happens.
By eMpTycuBe on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
tahnk you all for the comments
mr Sammy Baru -
Yes i do agree on all the point u mentioned here accept the last point regarding Tun Sambatham… he did it because of his dedication towards Malaya and please kindly dont potrait history as the reason. i might hurt the ppl who loves this country and love peace n harmony, but i need to emphasize here that not all indians are lazy. most of them that i worked with are hardworking and very kind. I personally asked them bout the hindraf issue and 80% of them disagree bout the issue being brought up by Hindraf. one of my fellow indian friend said it got nuthing with all Malaysian Indian..it got nuthing to do with me.. im happy wut im havving here and if im in India i might not get proper education
well said, but i disagree of ur using vulgar words towards other ppl or party. lets make it clean. Im trying to be as neutral as i can but as mention on several of my own comments. sometimes, we need to think for everybody as malaysian.
By eMpTycuBe on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
mala
it is not right post such word asking the indians to go back to their origins while they are not India citizen, they are malaysian and they are one of our racial core ethnic which stands together with other races building up this country. Such comment wil only reflect u as a close minded person. sorry i have disagree with u on that.
but i do agree with u regarding the roadblocks was set up around KL area as early as 3 days before the rally was schedule. u have some good points there. and i need to agree on it.
Hooligans might be not the real word for ppl who attend Hindraf rally. Initially the rally was set up to be peacefull rally and they do try to apply for permission and they failed to get one. they ignore authhorities warning and continue with it. Which brings in the Riot police squad, im pretty sure the rally wont be such a mess if the riot police didnt start shotting the watercannon and gas canisters,
By mala on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
This is Malaysia, a multi- racial country. Malays, Indians, Chinese, Ibans, Kadazans and hundreds of other ethnics live together here. Each and every ethnic group has its own needs and demands. but are they all fulfilled? No! even Malays or Chinese has too many demands and needs that can’t be fulfilled. why? Because we are living together with other ethnic groups so we have to consider and tolerate. Maybe our demand doesn’t agree with other’s demands or maybe our own ethnic personal demands will create anger and frustrations to other groups so, we have to, we do have to consider and please don’t make demands which are too much! and please be thankful to the government. to hindraf, You will not be so free and so in good life if you are not Malaysians. take a look at India, there are so many poor people there and they are so hard to become rich there because the government there is not as efficient and kind as Malaysia to all the people regardless of what their ethnic groups are. Malays have sacrificed a lot of their own RIGHTS when they accept Indians and Chinese to live together with them in this beautiful country. Please don’t destroy it…
By aNa on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
hot nyer…~haih
By mala on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
hello,
in my opinion, police is not wrong at all cause. The rally is not permitted, it is forbidden, it has no permit to be held, so i think, as malaysians, we have to follow the rules, the order.
Police didn’t give them permit because of some strong causes. Such rally doesn’t always end up good, i dare to say, even if the police do give the permit anyway, the Hindraf will still create riots. Look at their memorandum, it is so clear they try to look for a fight. they demand things that is impossible to be fulfilled. they accuse other ethnic groups for their own poverty and their own mistake. such rally is of course not permitted at all because there is a possibility that they will be irrational. one thing for sure is, the foreign media will report bad stories from such a rally. there is still many ways to express our demands, in a proper way. this is just not our tradition. think about it.
By mala on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
hi,
saya setuju dengan Sammy Baru. Saya harap fikir- fikirkanlah komen saya tadi. well, i want to tell u all, i’m an Indian too. But I must tell u this. if Indians don’t perform well, don’t point your finger to others. This is Malaysia. We have to tolerate. Bye,
By eMpTycuBe on Nov 29, 2007 | Reply
hi mala..thank you again for you comment,
i got nuthing against nobody here… got nuthing against indian malay nor chinese… im just voicing up what i think on my point of view…
let me make it clear here,
what hindraf did was wrong in terms of law definition since the authorities already told them not to conduct such activity
what hindraf did was right in voicing up what they want using the ‘democracy’ name of the nation
what hindraf said in some of their memorandum is totally unacceptable to me. coz im a malay and i felt threaten and being violated on my own rights.
what police did was basically just doing their job..no comment here
what Riot police did was a little more than average aggressive (the water cannon and gas canister side) but controlling such unpermitted rally is their job ..nuthing wrong with that .
what government did was right, by not giving them the permit in order to avoid other races clash if the permit is given.
what government policy bout this..i have no comment.
again i got nuthing against hindra nor government nor malay nor chinese. im only not satisfied with the 3 points mentioned on the post..and yes Mala, i do understand what u said and im just being neutral here
By mala on Nov 30, 2007 | Reply
hello, gud morning,
for me, Hindraf is totally wrong. Hindraf has put Malaysia in big shame. Hindraf is totally out of their mind by voicing up such RIGHTS that are totally unacceptable, by using such an unacceptable way. If Hindraf or any other group is not satisfied with anything, why don’t they voice it up to their representative in the government body? Tell Datuk Samy Vellu for example. This is the proper way.
Police is not wrong at all. They are not that aggressive either. Because they were not using heavy stuffs for controlling the rally, they are only using WATER cannons and canisters. Look at other countries for example France. What did the police there use? RUBBER cannons! Tear gas, so i think the police were not at all aggressive,
By eMpTycuBe on Nov 30, 2007 | Reply
thank you mala,
well said, i second that
By jerma on Nov 30, 2007 | Reply
OMG! I keep asking you what are the “proper ways” (that has not been used by HINDRAF - or any other Indian organisation), and you still don’t get the point! You keep saying “proper channel”, “proper channel”, “proper channel”, tapi you haven’t shown us what are these proper channel - THAT HAS NOT BEEN TRIED BY HINDRAF! PAHAM TAK! FAHAM TAK! FAHAM TAK!
Aiyoo! Sakit telinga saya je!
Honestly, mala, are you Indian? Jangan bohonglah! Show me you blog or any other web site that we can use to show that you are really “Indian” (which in itself is wrong, because we are not actually “Indian”, but Malaysian!)
Anyway Mala, “they were ONLY using water cannons…”? Wow! You must be Terminator kot! Check out this site, it shows how WATER (yes your everyday “air paip”) can cut through STEEL! http://science.howstuffworks.com/question553.htm
And the FRU were not exactly shooting water out of your garden hose. Dia bukan siram air macam siram air kat taman! You are simply ignorant. Saje nak buat pandai.
Just because you can write something on the internet, don’t think you can make fools out of us. Jangan nak perbodohkan kita je. Thats all I am asking.
By azrn on Nov 30, 2007 | Reply
Dear jerma,
I guess, the “proper way” or appropriate channel that should be done is just, DUDUK DIAM-DIAM and be a responsible Malaysians. And why is your ears sakit pula? i thought u use ur fingers to type all the words. Not headphone.
Why MUST they gathered ramai-ramai just to sent a piece of kertas memorandum? heh… just sent 3 or 4 big boss is enough laa…
By enying on Dec 3, 2007 | Reply
hello! the discussion stl goin’?
By apektua on Dec 3, 2007 | Reply
jerma,
may iask u support hindraf?
By enying on Dec 3, 2007 | Reply
isnt water cannon the 1 firemen use to stop fire? is it? or am i wrong? that type shouldnt that dangerous it shoulnt able to cut through steel. maybe the one jerma mean of different type. i believe police would not using the ‘cut through steel’ type it can cause death!maybe that one specifically used in factories maybe,
oh ya… which party is injured by the way? the demonstators or the police? i thought the police. 2 of them were badly injured…
By MILI on Dec 3, 2007 | Reply
dont the hindus knows about civilization? if there’s no history about them being slaves or whatever they call themselves, we wont be able to achieve the globalization and live like we does now. nonsense hindraf!
By apektua on Dec 4, 2007 | Reply
i don’t agree with any street demonstration. tourism industry will very affected by this hindra demonstration. furthermore the issue hindra brought very irritating full of lies. they claim the goverment do “penghapusan etnik”. ask for trillions dollars from britain (our former “penjajah”).they bring Gandhi photos as if they more loyal to him then our Agong. beg for mercy from queen elizabeth.what is this?? is our country no more under penjajah?
By mala on Dec 4, 2007 | Reply
Thank you for all the comments. well, jerma, since u urself have said, ‘you are really “Indian” (which in itself is wrong, because we are not actually “Indian”, but Malaysian!)’, then, i suppose haha, i don’t have to respond to that enquiry of yours anymore…
well, thank you enying, i suppose too, i don’t have to explain about it anymore because my answer will be very much similar to her post about water cannon.
well, i’ve seen the demonstration by my very own eyes and i can say, that the water although in a big volume being sprayed by the police, was not sprayed directly, but is pointed up about 45degrees to the air before it reached the demonstrators. the water is intended to stop them continuing the demonstration further and not more than that, okay, i’m not making fools out of anybody, but it actually depends on one’s very own opinion about the matter.
what i’m afraid of is, you, are making fools out of us when u said that water can cut through steel when u urself know that it is definitely impossible for the police to use that kind of ‘terminator’ machine. please don’t make fools out of us, that’s all i’m asking.
Regards,
Mala
By mala on Dec 5, 2007 | Reply
Hindraf, let me ask you, what’s ur real intention? ur hidden agenda? who is behind u? why u travel all across the world telling PURE LIES about Malaysia? Beg outsiders to what u call as ‘helping’ u free Hindus from ethnic cleansing? is there any ethnic cleansing in Malaysia? Can u show complete evidence? Selfish!!! Perhaps u don’t even care about what will happen to Malaysia? Yes.. what u expect to happen is they will send troops, army to destroy Malaysia? How would u like to see your own family and relatives get killed by this so called ‘Helper’? Sure you’ll love it bcoz only that way, u will gain ur victory! Let them all die never mind, no problem. coz what’s important for u is, now, finally, the power is in your hands.
By ksham on Dec 8, 2007 | Reply
Following all the comments posted so far, I feel Hindraf, after trying to go thru proper channels,decided to proceed with the gathering. This is to test the gov’s will. The carrot they dangled was just a teaser to get the Malaysian indians to vent out their frustration. Any show of suppression by the police will be seen nationwide and this itself will ack as a catalyst to get more mal.indians,non-indians and other disinterested parties to support Hindraf. Why is the govt trying to stop this gathering? Is it afraid of facing the truth that indians and also others have been marginalised over the years. “Ethnic cleansing” is too harsh a word used by Hindraff. Ethnic sabotage would have been better. Any utterances by Hindraf will be twisted and reported eventhough it was not supposed to be read as such. The problem is simple yet made complicated by the govt. Hear out what Hindraf has to say. Don’t put impossible conditions by asking them to go thru MIC. Hear the plights of the grassroot indians. They have been sidelined by MIC who has not really been tackling the issues maturedly. Hear the grouses direct from Hindraf, not a watered-down version from MIC ( don’t worry Mr. PM sirr. Everything issss ooookay downne heeere - waaaaaay doowne heeere).Let everyone be aware that the latest issues will soon be overblown into a terrorist threat and the govt will be compelled to come down very hard - very very hard. The church issues been cleverly manipulated to get them to respond. Any adverse response will be a threat to the govt who will then over exploit the issues as a threat to the malays. The govt will paint a frightening picture and cause great unrest. Vote for BN to neutralise this threat, they will say.
By nita on Dec 8, 2007 | Reply
anybody hindraf support dont like to stay in Malaysia can go back to India or any places they like it.
By mala on Dec 10, 2007 | Reply
Curious about one thing. why they say Malaysia is not fully- democratic? Does that mean we have to accept and adopt street demonstration as our tradition and culture, then only we will be accepted as democratic?
By apektua on Dec 10, 2007 | Reply
Since when our society ask Hindraf to represent us? Why, don’t you know the truth about this unlicenced organisation? Hindraf exists not only in Malaysia but also around the world, see?
You really know what Hindraf did to our sami in the temple? They chased them out!
By the_last_malay on Dec 10, 2007 | Reply
During the last few months, HINDRAF wanted the government to abolish Malay special rights.
Then, they launched brutal unpermitted demonstration and series of gossips, as if the government has done ethnic cleansing.
Some of its members told that they may become brutal like in Sri Lanka. It’s not surprising when police investigations proved that HINDRAF are trying to seek help from foreign terrorists.
Now its leader, P. Uthayakumar claimed that they don’t hate the Malays but they hate UMNO because according to them, UMNO never help them to develop themselves.
But one thing for sure is, UMNO is already being very liberal and full of toleration and consideration which enables the sharing of powers among all the minority groups in our country.
Going against UMNO equals to going against the malays. UMNO is Malay and Malay is UMNO.
By mala on Dec 11, 2007 | Reply
hello mr.ksham,
what are u talking about? Indians have been marginalised over the years? Can I see your concrete evidence and data?
Why are you saying that it is impossible asking Hindraf to go through MIC? Why is it impossible? Can u tell me why???
Okay, now, you yourself, is introducing a new word i can see? Ethnic sabotage???
Please, think about it first, and be thankful.
By ksham on Dec 12, 2007 | Reply
Dear Mala,in response to your comments I wish to say that indians have been marginalised. To show you concrete data and evidence is just your way of sidetracking the issue. I have been aware of this since 1967 by way of the education system. In the job market, its the same.Coming to purchases of houses, we pay higher prices. In promotions, we have been bypassed to fulfull the national agenda.Everywhere you look, you feel the frustration. Ain’t we all Malaysians to live of the land we were born in, to enjoy whatever we are capable of reaching. Instead we are enclosed in a fence which is getting tighter and tighter by the years. I do not know your age and I assume you have not gone through the experience. You are having a myopic view of things and events and feel strongly against the demo and Hindraf. I do not support Hindraf in their ways and language. I support Hindraf for their gall to bring up certain issues. These issues should have been taken up by MIC. If you open up a can of worms,yes, it will smell and wriggle a lot. If you look at it positively you will realise that the can of worms ( the issues) should not be there in the first place. The govt is now feeling embarassed over the whole thing and I feel they will now look into the problems faced by the malaysian indians positively.
By mala on Dec 14, 2007 | Reply
dear mr.ksham,
yes, i understand that,
i can’t deny your points. you are right.this matter is a bit sensitive to be discussed upon. But for me, i take it in a positive point of view.
let us not take it as a major problem for us. Furthermore, generally, we Indians are doing very well. if we keep on doing well, the government will keep on giving us the opportunity. The government is not that cruel as to denying our rights when we deserve it. Maybe because of the DEB, but i guess the malays have their rights too. they are the core ethnic. Maybe all these are temporary. As long as i know, DEB is not meant for ever, it will no longer be used when the economic gap between us and the malays and between them and the chinese is not that big anymore.